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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Weights. Reply with quote

Afternoon all!

Warm today is n't it? Cool

Anyway I have been toying with the idea of lowering my varator weights and was told around 11g would give a nice boost.

Then is saw this on ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KYMCO-SYM-HONDA-ATV-GY6-125cc-Quad-and-ATV-RACE-VARATOR_W0QQitemZ370070384959QQihZ024QQcategoryZ25640QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Nice new varator + weights.

Thing is it only has 9g weights in there.

Is that going to be too low?

P.S- I'm off for a ride to cool down Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't quote me on this... but isn't a 11g a bit much?



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJ wrote:
don't quote me on this... but isn't a 11g a bit much?


Well I just have! Rolling Eyes

Sorry.

I am talking about a 125 here.

Urmmm now I'm more confused than before.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take your rollers out and weigh them, divide by 6 gives you your weight size, then get some 1 or 2 grams less.



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJ wrote:
don't quote me on this... but isn't a 11g a bit much?


11g is average for 125. I was shocked as well the first time I was told, until I found it wasn't for a 50!



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll want to stay with 11g. I run 12g in mine and it holds me right at my horsepower peak, which is what you are after for peak acceleration and no loss in top end. A 125cc scooter motor has the same stroke length as a 150cc, but uses a smaller diameter piston.
9g is made to work with a larger camshaft running at higher rpms. I think its gonna put you out of your powerband. You'd be using up more gas to not accelerate any better than you are now. Confused
Call them and see if they would be willing to swap out a set of 12s or 11s in place of the 9s.



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 125 had 11.2gm roller weight stock.
I put in an oversize variator (115mm) with 9gm weights and it did improve the acceleration.
Roller weights are cheap so get them and try for yourself and if your not satisfied then buy a set of 10gm weights.

One other thing is the add does not say what the diameter of that front pulley is. Could be it is the same as the stock pulley (110mm).



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Y'know, these bikes oughtta have variater size and ratios listed under their specs. Isn't that what the 'specs' are supposed to be? Specifics??
Hell they can't even get the damn engine specs right anyways... On ebay, they take the sheet from one model, and paste them to all their damn bikes. Evil or Very Mad I know I'm asking way too much from these cutting-&-pasting sh!theads. Confused



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true that one cannot believe the specs listed on the Ebay adds. Nor can one believe most of the specs in the owners manual. And last one cannot believe half of the BS specs that the brick and morter dealers tell you.


Thats why we have to learn all that stuff ourselves by doing all the maintenance and servicing ourselves.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yellow Scooter wrote:
Isn't that what the 'specs' are supposed to be? Specifics?


Well, to be fair, 'specs' are short for 'specifications', which are not the same thing as design detail specifics. The specifications call for goal-oriented or statute-defined things like max load, seat height, max displacement, horsepower, max decibels noise, etc. Often accompanying the specifications are maintenance specifics like belt type, oil type, battery type, fuel type.

But as an engineer I would not expect the 'specifications' to list roller weights, variator diameters, fork weld loading figures, wire gauges to the head lamp, or other incidental design details. Any design which fits the specification would be acceptable, and thus allow for design variation and innovation.

That said, I would LOVE to see a single FAQ chart of all of these design details which we discuss here, a chart of stock and recommended roller weights, variator diameters, clutch spring values, spark types, and so on, listing for all common GY6 variants at 50cc 150cc and 250cc.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Some sorta baseline would be great! Very Happy
I know I can't be the only one sick of buying the damn part, then praying to god the whole time you wait, that you don't have the only scooter that part will not work on, then when it arrives, beat it onto the bike and make it fit! Evil or Very Mad

It would make life so much easier to know ahead of time whether something has a chance in hell of working on your machine, before plunking down hundreds. Wink



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